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▐░ ▀▓████║ Chicago_Symphony_Orchestra-Mahler_Symphony_No_8-1999-DeBT_iNT ║████▓▀ ░▌
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▄░▓███████▄▄▄░ ARTiST.... Chicago Symphony Orchestra ░▄▄▄███████▓░▀
░▓█████▄░░ ▄ ▀ TiTLE..... Mahler: Symphony No.8 █████▓░
▀░████▓░░▀ ░ ▀ LABEL..... Decca ▀ ░ ▀░░▓████░▀
░▓███▓▓░ ▀ ▄▓▄ GENRE..... Classical ▄▓▄ ▀ ░▓▓███▓░
▀▀░███▓░▄▄░ RiP.DATE.. 2011-05-08 ░▄▄░▓███░▀▀
▀ ▄███▀░░ STOREDATE. 1999-08-10 ░░▀███▄ ▀
░░▄▄██▀▀▀ SOURCE.... CD ▀▀▀██▄▄░░
░░▄▄██▀▀▀ QUALiTY... 229 kbps / 4410kHz / Joint Stereo ▀▀▀██▄▄░░
▄ ▄███▀░░ TRACKS.... 16 / 79:41 ░░▀███▄ ▄
▄▄░███▓░▄ ░ SIZE...... 138.23 MB ░ ▄░▓███░▄▄
░▓███▓▓░ ▄ ▄▓▄ RIPPER.... EAC Secure with LAME 3.98.4 ▄▓▄ ▄ ░▓▓███▓░
▄░████▓░░▄ ░ ▀ URL....... ░▓████░▄
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░ ▄▓████ 1 Wiener Staatsopernchor - Symphony No.8 in 1:27 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ E flat - "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ One: Hymnus "Veni creator spiritus" - ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Veni creator spiritus" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 2 Heather Harper - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 4:25 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part One: ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Hymnus "Veni creator spiritus" - "Imple ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ superna gratia" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 3 Heather Harper - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 6:20 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part One: ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Hymnus "Veni creator spiritus" - "Infirma ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ nostri corporis" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 4 Heather Harper - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 4:43 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part One: ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Hymnus "Veni creator spiritus" - "Accende ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ lumen sensibus" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 5 Heather Harper - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 3:49 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part One: ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Hymnus "Veni creator spiritus" - "Veni, ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Creator...Da gaudiorum praemia" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 6 Heather Harper - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 2:37 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part One: ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Hymnus "Veni creator spiritus" - "Gloria ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ sit Patri Domino" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 7 Wiener Singverein - Symphony No.8 in E 14:14 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ flat - "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Two: Final scene from Goethe's "Faust" - ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Poco adagio: Waldung, sie schwankt heran ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 8 John Shirley-Quirk - Symphony No.8 in E 1:35 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ flat - "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Two: Final scene from Goethe's "Faust" - ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Ewiger Wonnebrand" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 9 Martti Talvela - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 4:41 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part Two: Final ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ scene from Goethe's "Faust" - "Wie ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Felsenabgrund mir zu F¿╣ben" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 10 Wiener Singverein - Symphony No.8 in E 3:03 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ flat - "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Two: Final scene from Goethe's "Faust" - ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Gerettet ist das edle Glied" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 11 Yvonne Minton - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 2:58 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part Two: Final ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ scene from Goethe's "Faust" - "Uns bleibt ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ ein Erdenrest" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 12 Lucia Popp - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 8:08 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part Two: Final ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ scene from Goethe's "Faust" - "Hochste ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Herrscherin der Welt" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 13 Heather Harper - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 4:54 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part Two: Final ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ scene from Goethe's "Faust" - "Bei der ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Liebe, die den Fussen" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 14 Lucia Popp - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 5:18 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part Two: Final ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ scene from Goethe's "Faust" - "Neige, ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ neige, du Ohnegleiche" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 15 Ren¿ª Kollo - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 4:46 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part Two: Final ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ scene from Goethe's "Faust" - "Blicket auf ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ zum Retterblick" ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ 16 Heather Harper - Symphony No.8 in E flat - 6:43 ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ "Symphony of a Thousand" / Part Two: Final ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ scene from Goethe's "Faust" - "Alles ████▓▄ ░
░ ▄▓████ Vergangliche" ████▓▄ ░
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░▓████▓▄ TOTAL TiME: 79:41 MIN ████▓░
░▓███████▄ TOTAL SIZE: 138.23 MB▄█████▓░
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▄▀░████▓░▀║ Regrettably, in my conversion over time from LPs ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ to CDs, this somehow got lost in the shuffle. ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Truly dumb! But Decca has saved the day with a ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ totally fresh remastering on a single CD, and at ║▀░▓████░▀▄
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▄▀░████▓░▀║ I find myself both agreeing and disagreeing with ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ some of the previous reviewers (but, in the main, ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ agreeing). Over the years, I've owned, listened ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ to, and eventually discarded, several versions ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ (Abravanel, Kubelik, Mitropolous, Scherchen come ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ quickly to mind) and have put the two Bernstein ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ recordings in storage for at least a while ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ pending some time to rethink those performances ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ through. The only other one remaining active in ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ my collection is the Shaw, about which I make ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ some brief comparisons to Sir Georg's along the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
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▄▀░████▓░▀║ ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ I think that, in my time, only Bernstein and ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Solti really got it all together in this monster ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ piece. To a true Mahlerite (as opposed to someone ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ who simply gets off on the wall of sound and the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ "occasion" nature of the work), this may be the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ most difficult of all Mahler symphonies to pull ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ off with the right conviction, because it is ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ equal parts cerebral and visceral. And it can ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ fail in a major way if any one of the required ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ elements (soloists, choruses, orchestra, ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ dynamics, pacing, coherence and "the catching of ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ the long arc" that is essential in the second ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ part) is lacking. ║▀░▓████░▀▄
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▄▀░████▓░▀║ In the cold, hard light of day, Solti is the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ winner. He is the disciplinarian that Bernstein ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ is not, with an absolutely hair-trigger ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ performance from the orchestra, and he is ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ afforded better sound than either Bernstein ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ recording. The presence of Kollo, Shirley-Quirk ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ and Talvela guarantee a performance for the ages. ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Solti gauges the dynamics in the second section ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ absolutely perfectly. I will listen to it again ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ and again. The new "Legends" transfer is a marvel ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ when one considers its date (1971). ║▀░▓████░▀▄
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▄▀░████▓░▀║ Not having heard the LP version in a number of ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ years, there were a few minor "reacquaintance" ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ adjustments I found myself having to make: ║▀░▓████░▀▄
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▄▀░████▓░▀║ - The sound stage comes across in a way which I ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ do not remember from the LP version. The brass ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ (except for the horns) sound as if they were ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ behind a fairly heavy scrim except for when the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ choruses are not singing. Perhaps this is simply ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ a matter of the singers sitting down and getting ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ out of the way, a subtlety that was not apparent ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ on LP nearly 30 years ago. ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ - The soloists are miked a little too closely for ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ my taste. But they are unquestionably the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ greatest group of soloists ever assembled for a ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ performance of this work, so I can readily look ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ past this minor point. ║▀░▓████░▀▄
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▄▀░████▓░▀║ - The chorus runs out of gas at the end of Veni, ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Creator Spiritus and thereby loses some of the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ cumulative impact that this "rush to an ecstatic ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ finish" needs to have. ║▀░▓████░▀▄
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▄▀░████▓░▀║ These are all very minor points, and should deter ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ no one from acquiring this enduring performance. ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ I find myself agreeing with rac22 on the "good" ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ and "less than good" Mahler from Solti and that ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ this is the best Mahler that Solti ever did, ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ because he did get the cerebral details correct ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ (as in the long orchestral introduction to the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Faust scene). I also find myself agreeing with ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Conrad Weisert on the matter of the performances ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ of the choruses. Had the work been recorded in ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Chicago instead of Vienna, we would have had the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ benefit of the contributions of Margaret Hillis, ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ which are exceeded only by those of her mentor, ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Robert Shaw. ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ For those wanting a third version behind the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Solti and either Bernstein, I recommend the Shaw ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ for both the choruses and for his own sense of ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ dynamics and pacing (which largely mirror ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Solti's, with a total timing difference of only ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ nine seconds spread out over nearly 80 minutes). ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Shaw's choruses win out easily, and do lift the ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ roof off the Woodruff Arts Center in Atlanta at ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ the end of Veni, Creator Spiritus. The sound is ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ the usual Telarc state-of-the-art. But the organ ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ is anemic, the ASO is not the CSO, and Shaw, ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ while having excellent and sympathetic female ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ soloists, does not have Kollo, Shirley-Quirk and ║▀░▓████░▀▄
▄▀░████▓░▀║ Talvela. ║▀░▓████░▀▄
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